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Tim Lloyd

• References:
  • "Tim Lloyd of Caherline", Great Limerick Sportsmen, Limerick Leader, 12th Dec 1959.
  • Memories of past finals are revived (history of Limerick county championship), Limerick Leader, September 18th, 1999.

• Sources yet to be consulted:
  • History of the Limerick G.A.A., Part 1 - 1884-1908, Séamus Ó Ceallaigh, 1937. Mentions Tim Lloyd.
  • One Hundred Years of Glory: A History of the Limerick G.A.A., 1884-1984, Séamus Ó Ceallaigh and Sean Murphy, 1987, [LCL] 796.

   
(Left) Tim Lloyd, from mass card. See full size.
(Right) Mary Kate O'Donnell.

Tim Lloyd, born 5th Sept 1878, Caherline, Co.Limerick,
prominent Co.Limerick GAA hurler,
first played for Caherline hurling team 1896, Caherline won the Limerick county championship that year, though Tim did not play in the final,
he did NOT play in the team that won Limerick's first All-Ireland hurling title in 1897,
played for Caherline in final of Limerick county championship, 1898 (NOT 1899), they lost under disputed circumstances,
first played for Limerick county 1898,
played for Limerick team that won the All-Ireland final of the Croke Cup (the major alternative to the championship), 1898 (NOT 1899), he was NOT captain,

he went to the US, worked on paddle steamers on the Mississippi River,
he must be "Timothy Lloyd" who arrived at Ellis Island, NY, 14 Apr 1901, see passenger record; having sailed on the SS Umbria (Cunard Line) from Queenstown; described as age 22, labourer, last residence Limerick, never in US before,
going to house of his "cousin" Dan Riordan (unidentified, must be through father's side), 307 Spring St, New York,
inherited Caherline House, story is that elder brother was to get the farm at Caherline, but died, and Tim inherited Caherline instead, came back to Ireland,
must have come back immediately since he is hurling again in Ireland in 1902,

he was captain of Limerick team that lost Munster final to Cork, 1902,
he was captain of Caherline team that won Bruff Senior Hurling Tournament Final 1902,
captained the Limerick team that beat (the 1901 All-Ireland champions) London Irish at their grounds in Lea Bridge, London, 23 May 1904,
captained the Caherline hurling team that won the Limerick county championship in 1905 (final actually played in Sept 1907) and 1907 (final actually played in Feb 1908),

he ran farm at Caherline House, Caherline, Co.Limerick,
listed as farmer, living Caherline House as at mar,
mar 1stly, Dublin, 7th Feb 1910 [GROI],
to Mary Kate O'Donnell [born 10th May 1882, Ballynulty, or Ballinulty, Emly district, Co.Tipperary, NOT Co.Limerick [GROI], dau of John O'Donnell, farmer, and Emma Ryan; John O'Donnell was illiterate],
she is listed as living Cullen, Co.Tipperary, at mar,
Tim listed as "farmer" and "landholder" and "gentleman farmer" at Caherline at children's births,
Mary Kate died soon after birth of Louise, 27th Dec 1918, Caherline (NOT Caherconlish), Co.Limerick, age 36 yrs [GROI],
she died of "influenza" and "pneumonia", this would be at time of Flu Epidemic of 1918-9,
had issue:

1. Jack Lloyd,
   John Gerard Lloyd, must be after grandfather,
   born 18th Jan 1912, Caherline [GROI],
   went to US 1936, as at 1937 he was living 15 Sylvester St, Cranford, NJ,
   returned to Ireland early 1939,
   mar 21st June 1939, Ireland (NOT in US) [GROI] to Dorothy Doyle [Dorothy E., Dot, Doris, born 23rd Feb 1916, she is Doris on mar cert],
   he ran pub, "John G. Lloyd", 22-24 Donnybrook Rd, Donnybrook, his father bought it for him at his marriage in 1939, they lived over the pub,
   Dot recalls: "he was the first to have a lounge bar where females could drink with the men. That was in 1939 ... His Dad bought what is now Kielys in Donnybrook for him. It was in a terrible mess. ... He completely modernized the bar & made a lounge bar so that women could also come in and socialize with the men. His Father thought he was mad and told him so. Well as you know it turned out to be the coming thing, just Jack was a bit too early.",
   Jack is still listed as running the pub in [Thom's, 1945],
   the pub was bought by Kiely in 1945 [pub history], it is listed as "Timothy Kiely" in [Thom's, 1961], now Kiely's of Donnybrook,
   Jack then bought three acres on the Naas Road outside Dublin, built a petrol station and roadside restaurant with parking, Dot says: "Every one again said he was mad. He was the first in Ireland to have one pull in off the road to fill up their vehicles. We did not do any repairs",
   later he lived 8 Mayfield Rd, Terenure,
   living there when he registered his aunt Mary Walters' death 1957,
   then lived Highfield Rd, Rathgar,
   he died 7th Sept 1983, age 71 yrs,
   had issue:
   1. Mary Lloyd, mar Robert Gest and had issue:
      1. Patrick Gest, mar Constance de Cools.
      2. Bettina Gest.
   2. Louise Lloyd, mar Ludwig Franz and had issue:
      1. Heather Franz.
      2. Sabrina Franz.
      3. Eric Franz.
      4. Michelle Franz.
   3. Clifford Lloyd, mar Diana Gullette and had issue:
      1. Alexsandra Lloyd.
      2. Margaret Lloyd.
      3. Charles Lloyd.
   4. David Lloyd, mar Susan Andrew and had issue:
      1. Elizabeth Lloyd.
      2. Margaret Lloyd.
   5. Henry Lloyd.

   
   

2. Emily Lloyd,
   Emma Christina, would be after grandmother Emma Ryan, always called "Emily",
   born 22nd Dec 1912, Caherline [GROI],
   was born in same year as her older brother,
   wit her aunt Mary's mar 1923,
   mar 19th Feb 1936, Sandymount church, to Joe Hughes [born 16th Dec 1913] and had issue.

   
   

3. Claire Lloyd [Margaret Mary Claire, think NOT Clare],
   must be after grandmother,
   born 3 Feb 1915 in Caherline [GROI].

   
   

4. Mary Lloyd [Mary Veronica],
   born 6 Aug 1916 in Caherline [GROI],
   mar pre-1941 to Paddy Kearns,
   they lived 47 Brighton Rd, Rathgar,
   she died 30 Jun 1945, 47 Brighton Rd, Rathgar [GROI], age 28 yrs, of TB,
   had issue:
   1. David Kearns, mar Geraldine ---- and had issue:
      1. Ralph Kearns.
      2. Lloyd Kearns.
      3. Shona Kearns.
      4. Barbara Kearns.

   
   

5. Finbar Lloyd [James Finbar],
   born 10 Sep 1917 in Caherline [GROI].

   
   

6. Louise Lloyd,
   Johanna Louise, Lou, born 16th Dec 1918, Caherline [GROI],
   mar Matthew Dempsey [Mat],
   she died 1981, age 63 yrs,
   had issue:
   1. Anthony Dempsey.
   2. Matthew Dempsey.
   3. Mary Dempsey.
   4. Elizabeth Dempsey.
   5. Judith Dempsey.
   6. Bernadette Dempsey.

Tim described as farmer of Caherline House at 2nd mar,
he mar 2ndly, 10th Sept 1919, St.Nicholas' church, Francis St, The Liberties, Dublin [GROI],
to Kitty Guerin [Katherine, or Catherine, dau of William Guerin, farmer, think NOT Guerian],
she was living "Ballyphilip" at mar,
mar conducted by "John Coffey C.C." (prob. his 2nd cousin Fr. John Coffey),
no issue,
she poss. lived Phibsboro, N Dublin city, at some point, must be before marriage if true,
she was poss. housekeeper for Tim,

Tim sold Caherline House and farm, "all thought he was mad",
but came up to Dublin, opened pubs, made lot of money,
note his father or brother previously had a pub in Dun Laoghaire, which his brother-in-law Jack Walters now had,
supposed to have sold Caherline 1922, though first pub is listed in [Thoms] 1921 edn,
Tim's pubs were:

Lloyd's pub, 4 N Earl St (start of Talbot St, off O'Connell St). This was his main pub. Listed as Lloyd's pub in [Thom's] from 1921 to 1973 and beyond (still Lloyd's pub after his death). This was a brand new pub - 4 N Earl St is listed as "destroyed in rebellion" in [Thoms, 1920]. This pub was known as "A1 at Lloyd's" (which is an older catchphrase originally derived from Lloyd's shipping in London). 4 N Earl St is now Thomas Cook Travel Agents, on the S side of the street, NOT Kylemore Bakery. Lloyd's pub, 47-48 Amiens St (corner of Buckingham St and Amiens St, N side of junction, opposite Connolly Station, see map and map). Listed as Lloyd's pub in [Thom's] from 1930 to 1946. New owner in 1947 edn. This is now Burke's pub ("Burkes of Amiens Street", 47-48 Amiens St). Lloyd's pub, 46 Amiens St (opposite corner at same junction, S side of junction, corner of Foley St and Amiens St). Listed as Lloyd's pub in [Thom's] from 1937 to 1973 and beyond (still Lloyd's pub after his death). It was an existing pub opposite his pub at 47-48 Amiens St. He bought it, poss. 1935. Still exists, still called "Lloyds". His son Jack ran the pub that eventually became Kiely's of Donnybrook.

he was called "Boss Lloyd", or "The Boss",
he lived in big house, Riverside House, Sandymount, Co.Dublin,
was at his uncle Mick's funeral 1934,
in 1940s his son Finbar bought Rosario, 6 Herbert Rd, Sandymount (just beside Riverside House),
Tim is listed as living Riverside House in [Thom's, 1945],
he swapped houses with Finbar, he moved to Rosario, Finbar moved into Riverside House,
he died 12th Dec 1951, Rosario, age 73 yrs, mass card and grave say died 28th Dec,
bur Towerhill.

Kitty sold the pubs after he died, but the name "Lloyd's" survived,
their son Finbar died Riverside House 1953, Riverside House sold shortly after,
Kitty died 14th Feb 1954, Rosario.

Tim Lloyd (on RHS).
Dublin, c.1920s.
Poss. relation on LHS. Poss. a doctor.

Kitty Guerin, from mass card.
See full size.

Mary Lloyd, from mass card (died 1945).
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Lloyds pubs

Lloyd's pub, 46 Amiens St, Dublin.
Photo 2009.
Dublin flags.
See larger and full size.
See other shot.

Burke's pub (formerly Lloyd's pub), 47-48 Amiens St, Dublin.
Photo 2009.
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307 Spring St, New York

307 Spring St, lower Manhattan, New York City, is the address "Timothy Lloyd" (probably our Tim) was going to when he went to America in 1901.
This might not be particularly relevant. It is just interesting that it survives today.
Now "Giorgione" bar and restaurant.
See map and street view.

307 Spring St, New York.
See full size and alternate shot.
Photos 2007 by David Lloyd.