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Cluer of Basingstoke

We are not sure that Cluer are actually ancestors of Dicey (and our line).
They might be just in-laws.

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Burke's LG version (seems wrong)

Extract from DICEY in [Burkes LG, 1862].

There are lots of problems with Burke's LG:

• Thomas Dicey's wife cannot be born 1671:
  • According to the above, Thomas Dicey's wife, and mother of his children, was Elizabeth Cluer, baptised 1671.
  • But if baptised 1671, she could hardly have a daughter married in 1701 and two daughters married by 1703.

• Thomas Dicey's wife was Margaret:
  • Contradicting the above, Thomas' will says his wife is Margaret. No surname known.

• Does the name "Cluer" prove anything?
  • Thomas Dicey's son William Dicey named his son "Cluer" in 1715.
  • That might normally indicate a Cluer ancestry rather than, say, an in-law.
  • However his father died when he was young, and he seems to have gone to work for his brother-in-law John Cluer in London. Maybe his brother-in-law was a father figure and it was a tribute to him. (Note John Cluer was still alive in 1715.)

We will not give up on the idea of Cluer ancestry yet:

• Elizabeth Dicey and John Cluer may be cousins:
  • See the above extract. The 1701 book referred to is unidentified. "John Cluer" must be the printer John Cluer.
  • It is unclear if the dedication says "cousin" or if that is an assumption someone has made.
  • The dedication must be to his wife Elizabeth Dicey (Mrs. Elizabeth Cluer) not to a mother-in-law Elizabeth Cluer (Mrs. Elizabeth Dicey).
  • Maybe his wife was his cousin and her mother was Cluer. We need to see this dedication.

• So maybe Thomas Dicey's wife was Margaret Cluer.
• Or maybe Dicey has no Cluer ancestry. They are just in-laws.
• This needs more work.

The Burke's version would be as follows:

• Henry Cluer,
  of Basingstoke, Hampshire,
  had issue:
  1. Elizabeth Cluer,
     bapt 6 Dec 1671.
     She mar Thomas Dicey [of Basingstoke] and had issue.
     

Maybe identical with:

• Henry Cluer,
  mar Ann ----,
  had issue:
  1. Henry Cluer,
     born 19 Oct 1669, Basingstoke. See record.

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John Cluer of Basingstoke and London

John Cluer, originally of Basingstoke, later of London, married Elizabeth Dicey, daughter of Thomas Dicey of Basingstoke.
Elizabeth Dicey's mother was said to be Cluer of Basingstoke (above). If true, then she and John Cluer must be cousins.
Alternatively, Cluer is not ancestor of Dicey. They are just in-laws.

• Henry Cluer,
  of Basingstoke,
  had issue:

  
  

  1. Richard Cluer.
     Mentioned in John's will 1728 as his brother.

  2. Sarah Cluer.
     She mar --- Swan.
     Mentioned in John's will 1728 as his sister.

     
     

  3. John Cluer, born est c.1675.
     Printer in London.
     Apprentice in 1695.

John Cluer becomes an apprentice in London on 6 May 1695.
Shows his father as Henry Cluer of Basingstoke.
See full size.