In particular Herbert, Earl of Pembroke
Herbert is listed as "Our common ancestors":
This family does not descend from the Norman FitzHerbert family
Genealogies have existed for centuries claiming to show the Herbert male line above Adam (born est c.1255),
and in particular claiming descent from the Norman FitzHerbert
While that family did exist,
and others argue
that these Herberts do not descend from them,
and these genealogies
were faked at an early period
to show a Norman origin for the Earls of Pembroke.
argues that the true origin of Herbert is native Welsh.
We begin as follows.
The surname "Herbert" was not established until the children of
Sir William ap Thomas.
born est c.1255,
mar Christian Ddu [dau of Gwarin Ddu, the "Black Lord" of Llandilo],
Jenkin ap Adam,
mar Gwenllian [dau of Sir Aaron ap Bleddyn],
Gwyllym ap Jenkin ap Adam,
mar Gwenllian Ichon [dau of Howel Ichon],
he died 1377,
Sir Thomas ap Gwyllym,
mar Maud Morley
[dau of Sir John Morley, Knt,
of Llansantffraed Court,
inherited the Morley estate, Llansantffraed Court, 1400,
he died 1438,
- Sir William ap Thomas.
Arms of the Earl of Pembroke
(creation of 1551).
Public domain image
Sources yet to be consulted